Man in Black II (MIB) – Dec 7 – Protestant Misunderstanding of Catholics!
This week “Man in Black” topic is Protestant Misunderstanding of Catholics. Enjoy! Come back next week for the topic “Catholic Sacraments!”
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Here are some notes for the talk! If you prefer to read!
What is a Catholic Mass?
The Catholic Mass is a commemoration and celebration of Jesus as God and our Savior! So isn’t a Protestant Service! Within this celebration, the body and blood of Christ is adored as the high part of each Mass. Communion is celebrated at every Catholic Mass – just as Jesus asked us to do when He said; “Do this in remembrance of me”. The Catholic Church does not teach that Christ dies again during the Catholic Mass. They teach that Jesus died once for our redemption. The Catholic Mass is a mystical celebration, steep in tradition, dating back to the first century. In a mystical way, the very same sacrifice that was made by Jesus on Calvary is made present on the altar. The Eucharist is celebrated at the Mass both in obedience to Jesus, telling us to do this (bread and wine=His body and blood) in remembrance of Him; and to do as Paul reminded us. Paul and Jesus both told us that the bread and wine really become the actual body and blood of Jesus, by the miracle of God’s grace. See: 1 Corinthians 11:27-30. below:
|Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.|
Is Communion Important? Yes! Jesus said so….
|John 6:30 begins a colloquy that took place in the synagogue at Capernaum. The Jews asked Jesus what sign he could perform so that they might believe in him. As a challenge, they noted that “our ancestors ate manna in the desert.” Could Jesus top that? He told them the real bread from heaven comes from the Father. “Give us this bread always,” they said. Jesus replied, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.” At this point the Jews mistakenly understood him to be speaking metaphorically.
Again and Again
“I myself am the living bread come down from heaven. If anyone eats this bread he shall live forever; the bread I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. Let me solemnly assure you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you. He who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has life eternal, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food, and my blood real drink. The man who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the Father who has life sent me and I have life because of the Father, so the man who feed on me will have life because of me” (John 6:51, 53-57)
None of this language (hard saying) is symbolic! Jesus meant what He said.
Moreover, even when there is grumbling and objections, and even after some disciples abandon our Lord because of this teaching, Jesus nowhere says, “Oh, please stop buddies. Don’t leave me. I meant this symbolically.”
Our Lord stood by His teaching. Most importantly–He repeated this “hard teaching” twice.
I was a “bad teacher”. I was once an instructor for a Naval Intelligence course in ocean surveillance, in Norfolk, Virginia. Sometimes I would literally “stomp the floor” with my foot while instructing something that was to appear on a very, very hard exam which was to follow the course. Hoping this point would sink in –and that the students would zoom in on this –BECAUSE they would see it again later. I wanted them to pass their end of course exam.
This is what Jesus did by repeating this. He basically is saying; “don’t miss this –it literally is something you MUST get”…
In short you better at least once solemnly receive the Body & Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ (Communion) at least once in your life –in A Christian setting… To receive Holy Communion unworthily is a serious abuse of the sacred body and blood of the Lord, and therefore a sacrilege.
“The nearer to Jesus, the nearer to the perfect calm of heaven; and the further from Jesus, the nearer to that troubled sea which tosses with the continual unrest of the wicked. There is no peace to the man or woman who doth not dwell constantly under the shadow of the cross; for Jesus is our peace, and if he be absent, our peace is absent too.”
Paul and Jesus both told us that the bread and wine really become the actual body and blood of Jesus, by the miracle of God’s grace. See: 1 Corinthians 11:27-29.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
IMPORTANT: Don’t ever take the receiving of Holy Communion lightly. Make a serious and heartfelt confession of all your sins to the Lord before ever receiving His blessed body and blood.
Those who preach the false Sabbatarianism (Saturday worship) theology don’t want to hear this. But, tradition and History tell us that early Christians met in homes, usually on a Sunday and celebrated the Body and Blood of Christ with bread and wine.
Catholics Honor Mary, but Worship Jesus only!
The Catholic side of me has a hard time understanding the lack of recognition, which itself borders on actual disrespect – that most Protestants show toward Mary the earthly mother of Jesus. Muslims do not understand the word begotten (as Jesus is one with the Father). And Protestants do not understand the words “worship/adore” vs “honor/venerate“. Muslims have carnal thoughts about God and heaven, and they cannot conceive the fact that God is spirit and light–and can do what He wants, and also things we can never understand.
Catholics worship and adore Jesus, but honor and venerate Mary – just as the early church did. The question really is — how much veneration is too much? Can one go overboard with this? Each person has to answer that themselves.
Was it not God Himself who first honored Mary when He sent Gabriel, who addressed Mary as “Blessed” and full of grace? The angel Gabriel is a messenger. So Blessed is God’s own words. The word itself indicates God Himself has elevated her. For us not to also — disrespects God’s own judgment.
As to the Catholics calling Mary, “Queen of Heaven”. Sure there is no biblical reference to this. But, can you think of any other woman in history, full of grace more, or who deserves this honor more? Didn’t Jesus himself show her the ultimate honor Himself, when He looked down from the cross and told John to take care of her? Whose heart was torn the most seeing Jesus on that cross atop Calvary?
I just have to say–I cannot follow the Protestant lead of “Mary bashing”. This disrespects both Jesus and Mary. Most serious Protestant ministers do not Mary bash. That is comforting. But do they actively try and stop it?
As to the Marian appearances we reference here at Bible Probe. If they are not in line with Scripture then they have probably been counterfeited by satan. Many Marian appearances I will not “touch” for that reason. At Bible Probe, we do use many references to the 30 years of the Bayside, New York appearances–because this seems to be very much in line with Scripture–and they are very interesting and revealing. Most are corroborating. There are also problems with this Marian appearance. I’ll be the first to say this. I have to question just why it was said that Franklin Delano Roosevelt is in Hell? There was no explanation given. So even the Bayside appearances have to be looked at with at least some skepticism. We know that the Roosevelt State Department severely limited the ability of Jews fleeing Europe to immigrate to the U.S., and flee the Nazi Holocaust in 1941. Is this why????
Catholics pray to Mary for intercession. However, they only pray to Jesus for the remission of their sins and for their salvation. Catholics do emulate holy Christians they call saints. They look to these as role models.
When Catholics pray to Mary, they are asking for intercession. If anyone has a problem with intercessory prayer I suggest they ask why is it that Scripture shows Paul asking the churches to pray for him. See: 1 Timothy 2:1-4.
The prayer “Hail Mary” ends with: “Holy Mary mother of God, Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen”
The Rosary consists of many beads representing when a “Hail Mary” should be said. But it also has beads triggering the “Our Father” prayer. This Our Father is the very same one Jesus taught us to say. It is the same Protestants say.
The “biggie” prayers for Catholics are the “Our Father” and the “Act of Contrition”. The Act of Contrition is addressed to Jesus, and goes like this: “Oh my God I am heartly sorry for having offending thee, and I detest all my sins — because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell. But, most of all because they (sins) offend thee my God who art all good and deserving of all my love”.
Graven Images? Worshipping statues? Changing the Commandments?
This is a “bum rap” that seems to be perpetrated against Catholics by the Seventh Day Adventists. Many Christians, especially Catholics, do use statues as “visual aids” when praying. But, even Catholics do not pray to the plaster or wood as Seventh Day Adventists claim. They are are thinking beyond this statue to God, Mary and the Saints. No one is allowed by the Catholic Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Catholic Church allows for the veneration (respect) of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints. Catholic Reverend M. James Divis writes:
And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
… Numbers 21:8-9
Recently we received an 80-page booklet entitled “What’s Behind The New World Order?” It can be traced back to the writings of Ellen G. White, foundress of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. According to this booklet, the Catholic Church is behind the New World Order. The booklet claims that this is true, since the Church is the beast of Revelation (Rev. 17). It attempts to prove this claim by exposing the “marks of the beast.” Due to limited space, only one charge will be considered. This is a common charge used against the Catholic Church.
Read more about this by Reverend Divis: here
Read about the Seventh Day Adventist (SBA) history, and some more absurd notions by that denomination here: http://www.bibleprobe.com/SDA.htm
SBA prophetess, Ellen White once called all other Christian denominations “Babylon”, and she contradicted Jesus about the “Greatest” Commandment….
The Assumption of Mary into Heaven.
Belief that Mary has been taken up and is now in heaven with both her body and her soul has been part of the teaching of the Catholic Church since the earliest centuries of Christianity. The strongest evidence for the belief of the early Christians is found in ancient liturgies and in homilies in honor of Mary’s passing. A second source, widely spread in the Middle Ages is known as the Transitus writings.
By the end of the Middle Ages, belief in Mary’s Assumption into heaven was well established theologically and part of the devotional expressions of the people. The word Assumption comes from the Latin verb assumere, meaning “to take to oneself.” Our Lord, Jesus Christ took Mary home to himself where he is.
For the ex-Catholic monk and Protestant Martin Luther, Mary’s Assumption was an understood fact, as his homily of 1522 indicates, in spite of the fact that Mary’s Assumption is not expressly reported in Sacred scripture. For Protestant reformer, Martin Butzer (1545), there was no reason to doubt about the Assumption of the Virgin into heavenly glory. “Indeed, no Christian doubts that the most worthy Mother of the Lord lives with her beloved Son in heavenly joy.” (Marienlexikon, vol l3, 200)
H. Bullinger (1590), also a Protestant reformer, sought for a theological foundation for the Assumption in scripture. He showed that the Old Testament tells of Elias, taken to heaven bodily to teach us about our immortality, and – because of our immortal soul – to respectfully honor the bodies of the saints. Against this backdrop he states, “Because of this, we believe that the pure immaculate chamber of the God-bearer, the Virgin Mary, is a temple of the Holy Spirit, that is her holy body, borne by angels into heaven.” (Marienlexikon, vol l3, 200)
In the light of a long history of Christian belief since patristic times, in 1950, Pope Pius XII defined Mary’s Assumption into Heaven as a dogma of Roman Catholicism:
“the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heaven.”
The proclamation of this dogma is found in the encyclical: Munificentissimus Deus.
READ THIS “Transitus Mariae” Account here: http://BibleProbe.com/transitusmariae.htm
Catholics have Conceded to Protestants, that Salvation is by Grace (and not by Works):
So there is now no longer a great “dogma gulf” between Catholics and Protestants
Indulgences were removed from the Catholic Church in 1582’s Council of Trent
Many Protestants believe that Salvation is by “Faith” alone. When actually, salvation is by the “Grace” of Jesus. Faith alone will not get anyone to Heaven. Jesus’ Grace will! Jesus said it is not enough to have faith in him. We must also obey the commandments. Jesus said; “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say” See: Luke 6:46, Matthew 7:21-23, and 19:16-21.
|He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 19:18-19|
Catholics Never taught Salvation by Good Works as many internet posters lie:
Catholic Dogma, like fundamental Protestant dogma is salvation by the Grace of Jesus alone. Faith is the first step in receiving the Lord’s Grace. Catholic dogma rightfully adds that the proof of salvation is good works (fruit of the Spirit). In the Joint “Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification” between Lutheran Ministers and the Catholic Church in Augsburg, Germany in October 1999 this was confirmed. Read here. In Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 9:16 we are told that we do not earn salvation through good works (as Muslims believe). Instead, our Faith in Jesus places us in a special Grace-filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our Faith, will be rewarded with eternal life. Read: Romans 2:7 and Galatians 6:8-9. The Bible does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven! The Bible says that salvation will be assured to those who have Faith in Jesus AND are obedient to Him.
The “Fundamentalist Protestant” test of a true Christian has always had 5 points that a Christian must agree with. It should be noted that all Catholics agree with all these 5 points:
1. Christ was born of the Virgin Mary (Virgin birth)
2. Jesus was God in the flesh
3. Substitutional Atonement for our sins (by Jesus)
4. Jesus rose from the dead.
5. Jesus will return to earth.
From early Church history, we have a letter from Clement, who was the 3rd Bishop from Peter to head the Church in Rome.
Note how Irenaeus’ passage below gives us an inkling of why we should pay attention to Church Tradition. When he speaks of Clement – he tells us that even Clement who was the 3rd head bishop from the apostles –had listened to and spoken to the apostles. Clement himself tells us that he was a disciple of the Apostles: here. According to Tertullian, writing in about 199 A.D., the Roman Church claimed that Clement was ordained by Peter himself (De Praescript., xxxii). Most Catholics think of Clement as the 4th Pope. Clement did leave us a writing of his. It was a letter to the Church at Corinth. See some of this far below… Or, click link to left to read this entire letter.
The passage by Irenaeus (Adv. haereses, III, iii, 3) reads:
“The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes.
From Clement’s letter to the Church at Corinth:
A passage on the Holy Trinity is important. Clement uses the Old Testament affirmation “The Lord liveth”, substituting the Trinity thus: “As God liveth, and the Lord Jesus Christ liveth and the Holy Spirit — the faith and hope of the elect, so surely he that performeth”, etc. (58). Christ is frequently represented as the High-Priest, and redemption is often referred to. Clement speaks out strongly against justification by works. Clement writes; “And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen”.